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    Episode 1530: Urban Permaculture in Baltimore, Maryland

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    An image from the entrance of the food forest showing the dense canopy of trees, a brick path from the human impacts, and rustic structures built by Charm City Farms staff and volunteers


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    My guests for this episode are Eric and Victoria of Charm City Farms, a permaculture based urban agriculture initiative that focuses on educating and supporting individuals and communities in and around Baltimore, Maryland.

    During the conversation today we open by talking about the development of a quarter acre food forest in Clifton Park, and the requirement for grant funding and organizing volunteers in order to be successful with the project, and the permaculture and primitives skills classes they offer. The second half we dig into one of those courses in detail, The Forager’s Apprentice program Victoria is running, which leads to a discussion about the role of blending academic rigour with hands on experiences. Throughout this conversation we move between the practical and the philosophical and how both play an important role in practicing permaculture and creating deep experiences.

    You can find out more about what they are doing, including the Food Forest Journal at

    The logo for Charm City Farms, LLC.

    If you are in the area I recommend getting in touch with Eric and Victoria and going to visit the food forest when they are having one of the regularly Friday field days. If you can take a class with them, including The Forager’s Apprentice when it re–opens next year, I highly recommend it. You’ll find a complete listing of the different kinds of classes they offer in the show notes. If the course you are interested in isn’t listed on their website get in touch and let them know. Also sign up for their newsletter so you can see what is happening when.

    I’ve known Eric for sometime through email exchanges and following his work through the Charm City Farms website. Knowing that he had a viable project going was why I wanted to sit down and interview him in person. After going down and spending a day with Victoria and Eric I was left with a positive impression of both Victoria and Eric, as well as what it is they are doing and the authenticity of their work.

    The food forest is in really good shape and as we walked through they were naming the various plants using both the common name and latin binomial. They also pointed out not only the successes, but also the failures. They raised questions about why one plant did well as an outlier, but then did not thrive in what should be, by all accounts, the ideal space for that same species and cultivar.

    When questioned about community engagement, it came with a humility and understanding of the difficulties of coming in as an apparent outsider and the need to integrate into a place to find out who the real leaders in a given neighborhood are in order to get the right buy-in. I asked about population and demographics and Eric was able to answer them immediately and in great detail. We talked about organizations and people and various initiatives in the city that went well beyond what you heard in the interview and what Victoria and Eric could bring to bear while we were casually walking around and discussing the two sites they are working with was encyclopedic. They’ve done the groundwork and really integrated themselves into what they are doing and taken on the roles they’ve decided for themselves and continue to look for ways to make the changes necessary to be more effective, including considering buying and renovating a home in the community near the second site they are looking to develop, where the red brick barn is located so they can be close to the space and also members of the community.

    We all find inspiration in different places for the work we do. I know Ethan Hughes is an inspiration for many as he and his community are able to live within the gift economy, without gas or electricity. In conversations I’ve had with Ethan off the air he knows, however, that the Possibility Alliance model isn’t something that most people can do. It is too radical of a shift to accomplish in one lifetime. What Eric and Victoria are doing in the city, in place, is a path many many more can follow. I’m reminded of Bob Theis and his comment, which I’ll paraphrase, that there are plenty of good places we can repair and restore that already exist, rather than inflicting ourselves on some place that doesn’t need us. Now that worldwide the majority of people live in cities and metropolitan areas, urban permaculture practitioners are more vital than ever.

    If you are in a place that needs you and we can work together to build the place you want to live, let me know. Get in touch.

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    Up next week is Adam Brock to discuss the role of a guest editor with Permaculture Design Magazine.

    Until then, take care of Earth, yourself, and each other.

    Charm City Farms Classes and Workshops

    Permaculture Design Certification Course (72 Hours)
    Wild Plant Food & Medicine (30 Hours)

    Wild Edibles Workshops
    Forage Report
    Forage Plant ID
    Botany for Foragers
    Mushroom ID 101
    Wild Edibles Cooking Demo
    Wild Tea Party

    Friction Fire I – Bow Drill
    Friction Fire II – Hand Drill
    Tracking 101
    Working With Bone
    Utility Plant Walk
    Cordage from Plant Fiber
    Fresh Materials Vine Basket
    Mugwort: Craft, Medicine, Food, Smoke
    Cooking + Poison: Milkweed, Pokeweed, and Bamboo
    Traditional Bow Making

    Kids Programs
    Primitive Skills & Nature Studies
    Hunter Gatherer Summer
    Wild Ones Nature Exploration

    Farm and/or Homestead
    Tree Grafting
    Holistic Orchard Management
    Integrated Forest Garden Design
    Cubic Inch Food Garden Intensive
    Mushroom Log Inoculation

    Herb, Fruit and Flower Wines
    Fathers Day Ale Making
    Cheese Making Class Round One
    Cheese Making Class Round Two
    Bread Making
    Soap Making
    Personal Care Products
    Make Your Own Cleaning Supplies
    Salves, Syrups, and Tinctures
    Canning Demystified
    Knife Sharpening 101
    Rabbit Processing
    Basic Vehicle Repair

    Foragers of Baltimore (Meetup Group)
    Baltimore Orchard Project
    Charm City Farms (Meetup Group)
    Baltimore Green Space
    Olivia Fite (Clinical Herbalist)

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    1. July 23, 2015    

      I have now created two food forests (and assisted on two more) down here in Florida, one of which is a tight little urban 1/10 acre project (details and photos here: You can really do a lot with a quarter acre! Great to see Eric and Victoria doing this in Baltimore – thank you for posting.

    2. DylanDylan
      February 16, 2017    

      This episode was incredible. Decided to become a patron after listening, I can’t believe how much incredible content you give away for free! Thanks Scott 🙂

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