The Permaculture Podcast

    Episode 1348: The Interface Between Permaculture and The Wild with Michael Pilarski


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    My guest for this episode is Michael Pilarski, a permaculture practitioner and teacher from Montana here in the U.S. Michael also wildcrafts and forages for wild foods.

    Our conversation brings together the interviews with Arthur Haines, Sam Thayer, Wilson Alvarez, and Ben Weiss about our use of the wild lands, and interacting with that edge between the world built by man, the natural world, and the interface between permaculture and wilderness. If you are relatively new to the show, I’d recommend listening to those past episodes before settling in to this time with Mr. Pilarski.

    One of the things that stood out to me from this conversation was Mr. Pilarski’s imperative about taking a little place around us and fixing it up. That as each of us do that, the world becomes a better place. I think of David Holmgren and his desire for us to build working models and to spread permaculture by showing people that it works. Of Sam Thayer or Arthur Haines telling us to get out there and go forage. Of the work Wilson and Ben are doing to tend the wild as a way to show a working example of not only how to live within the ethics of permaculture and our interactions with the world that supports us, but continue civilization and the things we like about it in the process, while earning a viable income. I feel like we’re on the cusp of transition, that as much as going on in the world, as each of us embodies the change we want, I’m beginning to see it.

    But, maybe that’s just my bias because I like this world we live in and the possibilities of it all. What possibilities do you dream about? Which ones are you taking action on right now? I’d love to hear from you. You can reach me via email: show [at] thepermaculturepodcast [dot] com, or by phone: 717-eight-two-seven-6266.

    Michael Pilarski and Inland Northwest Permaculture Guild

    Past Interviews:
    Arthur Haines
    Sam Thayer
    Wilson Alvarez and Ben Weiss


    1. October 7, 2013    

      What an excellent discussion about the relation of Permaculture to our environment and society, as a whole. I’ve listened to previews interviews, and this really adds to them. I do wonder about the ‘practicalities’ or strategies that Michael has in mind. The goal sound good, but it’s definitely hard to imagine how it could be implemented, even in the small examples he offered (hospitals and less-valuable farm lands.)

      I’m going to open a discussion thread about this on Permies, link back, and see what people think, about how this could be implemented, and how they implement these ideas, already:

      I warmly invite both Michael and you, Scott, to join the discussion and add more detail, to this fascinating interview.

    2. RLM McWilliamsRLM McWilliams
      February 5, 2014    

      Yes! Yes! YES!!!

      In addition the health of the various people around the world whom Weston A. Price studied, he also remarked on their happiness, how they smiled a lot, and were always happy to see people, very welcoming even of total strangers. Aside from the Achille’s heel that this becomes when a healthy culture comes in contact with an unhealthy, abusively expliotive culture… could this be a key to ‘how to fix people’? To what in the world is driving the insanity behind our disfunctional society?

      (Skeletal remains of pre-‘civilization’ people also reveal that those people were generally healthier than the average person living in the first world today.)

      If we think about it, it makes a lot of sense. We know that plants that do not havethe right balance of the nutrients that they need, that are not living in healthy living soil, that are not in the right environment are not healthy; they essentially lack the raw materials to function optimally.

      It is a topic that industrial medicine tends to avoid, but any parent knows that what we feed our children does affect their behavior. The beneficial effect that the B-complex vitamins have on mood and energy levels is well known – just to name a couple examples. And we know that heavy metals like lead and mecury depress intelligence and negatively ffect social skills. (Mercury exposure is why hatters were sometimes referred to as ‘mad’ like in ‘Alice in Wonderland’, and often became anti-social.) Some studies have show significant effects of an improved diet on the behavior and schoolwork of children. What if generations of a bad diet, foods grown on depleted and/or polluted soils (and, these days, watered by rains containing toxins & radiation) negatively affected the mental & emotional function of people?

      Food for thought.

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