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    1724 – Holistic Goat Care with Gianaclis Caldwell

    My guest is the author, cheesemaker, and goatherd Gianaclis Caldwell of Pholia Farm Dairy. She joins me to talk about her latest book Holistic Goat Care from Chelsea Green Publishing.


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    Using that complete approach we talk about goats on a farm and homestead, including needs and yields such as diet and nutrition; guard animals; common predators; fencing and shelter; and temperament and socialization. For those of you who want to raise goats, we also talk about what to expect when you expect to do so, like where to find your first goats and some reading and other preparations to start with before buying them.

    In this conversation, Gianaclis demystifies the requirements and practices needed to begin keeping a herd of goats, whether in the city, suburbs or on a farm.

    Find out more about her and her work at,, and Holistic Goat Care at

    If you would like to meet Gianaclis she appears in September at the Mother Earth News Fair in Seven Springs, Pennsylvania, and in October at the Mother Earth News Fair in Topeka, Kansas. I’ll be at the Seven Springs again this year, I hope to see you there.

    Also, this was the first of two conversations with Gianaclis, with the second scheduled as the last episode in September, when we talk about her first book, which builds on dairying, Mastering Cheesemaking.

    Can you see how to integrate goats into your permaculture design? Are you already raising goats? What thoughts do you have after hearing this interview? Let me know. Leave a comment below or get in touch.

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    From here the next interview, out on September 7, for Patreon supporters and for everyone else on my 38th birthday, September 10, is my interview with Joel Salatin.

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    Gianaclis Caldwell
    Pholia Farm Dairy
    Holistic Goat Care (Chelsea Green)

    Mother Earth News Fair in Seven Springs, Pennsylvania. (Sep. 15 – 17)
    Mother Earth News Fair in Topeka, Kansas. (Oct. 21 – 22)

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